Wednesday, September 16, 2009

Isot Canby Ca survivors

Hello,
I'm am looking for more survivors from ISOT canby Ca group home. If you are out there...I'm also creating a Fan thing on Facebook. Please let me know. My brother and I were in ISOT (In Search Of Truth..cult). He was there longer than I, but we both suffered horrible abuse. My brother with Sandy and Larry. And I myself with Marie Tolbert. I went and confronted Marie....she denied everything.....acting concered for me. She lied straight to my face. However, I am not surprised. Victimizing children is all too familar to her and the Elders.....abuse of any and every kind. Including, but not limited to.....poor education for children. Please respond and lets get together as a group on facebook. As a group we can get through the passed and help each other. We are not alone.....and with all our help and information....knowledge is power. Together we stand! Thanks for reading

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    1. You came on shortly after I left. I lived in the main house with Marie from September 76 to New Years Eve a few months later. I guess even I were to prove more than Marie wanted to deal with after running away twice and telling everyone I could about how psycho a lot of the elders were.
      Did you get dysentery when you first got there? Holy crap... I was deathly ill for days and they didn't do shit to help. Hope you didn't go through too much hell.

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    2. I was there in 1980 it eas horrible

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    3. I was there from 89 till 94 with Marie Tolbert , Bethel , Patience ETC...

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  2. Hey all, I would like to hear from you. Please private message me at sophia.cedotal@yahoo.com

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    2. I recognize you name for some reason. I was at ISOT from 92 to 94 my name is Jodi Cheshire.

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    3. Hey I'd love to hear from all y'all. I was in ISOT in 1992 and raised hell and always ran away. LoL
      Here is my email
      peterduran2020@gmail.com

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  3. My Brother and I were there from 1986 to1990

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    2. I livef here in 1989 i remember so mych was there for aproamitly 2yrs. They were very hands on

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  5. I was there from 86-88 and although sent there by the courts I learned alot about growing up and made some great friends such as Don Roberts who replyed earlier-We shared a main home-house 2,

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  6. I am a survivor of Sam Fife's Move of God, which was always considered to be ISOT's sister ministry (cult). I, my siblings and many other children suffered extreme abuses while in this cult. I was in from 1973 - 1984. I've written a book, Cult Child, which is on Amazon, reliving my personal abuse experiences. I am here to support you all; to understand and to say that yes, these are horrible, horrible people. Does anyone know Leo and Emily Nerbonne there? Did you live on the self sustained commune as well?

    I am so sorry that you were hurt. So sorry. You did not deserve it. If you want to talk or need support, you can reach me at vennie.kocsis@gmail.com

    You can also find out more about me at my blog: venniewrites.com - I just want you to know that I'm authentic.

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    1. I was born into The Move into one of the remote farms in northern BC Canada

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    2. I was also adopted into the move I am Jay Cheshires daughter. I was in the move from the time I was 6 until my escape at 18. I have never been back. I traveled to every farm all year round meeting every day. Then I was placed at IS IT for my rebellious ways from 92 to 94. Once I left I never looked back.

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    3. German Shepherd Mom - I remember Jay Chesire. I understand why you never looked back. <3

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  7. I was there from 1980-82. I went thru there around 2002 just to see what it looked like. It was somewhat surreal.

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  8. And Google used my login name. My real name is Todd Grosvenor

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    1. Hello Todd. This is Victoria Phillips. I was there from late December 1979 through April 1981. I remember your name, but boot your face. Of course, I don't really remember many faces from then, or names. Found this page after reading a news article about another type of I'SOT facility and wondered if that place was still open. Nice to know I wasn't the only one that suffered and thought they were crazy!!

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    2. Hi Victoria. If I'm not mistaken we went out for a little bit. You were kind of tall with dark hair? And you went out with Hubert Henry? I could be wrong but I don't think so. I went and stopped there in 2002 or around then but the school is closed. Most of the adults were gone. I guess they got their license yanked. How have you been?

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    3. Hi was also at I'sot at this time my email is cpeace7070@yahoo.com

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  9. I was there in the late 80's. My name is Lisa.

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  10. I was there in the late 80's. My name is Lisa.

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  11. I've never met a group of people who were Kinder more generous for charitable these people just want to help each other they would give an arm and a leg to help anyone with anything anything for many years I have never seen anything they've done described as anything less than honorable from anyone in the community and I would trust anyone there in a heartbeat

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    1. The children of the Isot people suffered the worst-From Marie,I've talked to some recently and some stories are crazy.

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    2. My name is dena kier it was Dena soucy I was there 1983 to 1986. I ended up running away to reno nv

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    4. Holy shit! Dena! This is Troy Peebler. Remember me?

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    5. They are still there. I was in the "sister" group, the Move. Emily Nerbonne, Leo, those people, extremely abusive back in the 70's and 80's; too old to beat anyone now. I've heard some horror stories from the Canby youth reform school. So it seems the cult is the same. Some are abused while others are not, a very common trait of the narcissistic triangulation of cults.

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    6. Yeah like being thrown in a bare empty room w no food n water because your sick. From the time you wake up till bed.

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  12. I've never met a group of people who were Kinder more generous for charitable these people just want to help each other they would give an arm and a leg to help anyone with anything who is in need for many years I have never seen anything they've done described as anything less than honorable from anyone in the community and I would trust anyone there in a heartbeat

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    1. Brainwashed sell out! I'm sure you sat there nodding your bobble head while the elders stripped your best friend who you ratted out.

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    2. Robert - apologists always trip me out too.

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  13. I've never met a group of people who were Kinder more generous or charitable these people just want to help each other they would give an arm and a leg to help anyone with anything who is in need for many years I have never seen anything they've done described as anything less than honorable from anyone in the community and I would trust anyone there in a heartbeat

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    1. You are most definitely not being honest.

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    2. Seeing the amount of times this comment is posted, it looks to be the trait of an attempt to drive comments down. I wouldn't trust HARLAN in a heartbeat. lol

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  14. My name is Wesley. I was placed in isot on 10/17/84, my 16th birthday.I remained there for a year and a half. I still remember that portion of my life which scared me for life. I was in the house with Sandy and Ralf Simon. I still cry at times. I can be reached at wesglen68@gmail.com. anyone who was there during that time, please,,, I need healing also

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  15. I will say this much. And I know others might have had a worse experience than I. My house mom was Sandy Simon And Ronnie Mann was in charge of the trailer I lived in by the railroad tracks. Now I had some shit happen that was wrong. The very first day I was there Ron Hassler body slammed me for not working fast enough. I was ready to take his head off. In hind site, I was there because I messed up. I know that isn't the case with some of you who didn't do anything wrong. But I met some of the best friends that I still think about and miss. They had your back because as you know, at ISOT all you have is your word and that is gold if it's good. My point is, life is never easy. I spent almost 2 years there. I got in fights with a lot of the elders and Ralph Simon once ripped a 3" square of my hair out in a battle. The battle happened because I wouldn't stop swearing at him. If I was at home, I probably would've expected to have that happen because profanities were flowing. Most of us were there because we got in trouble. So what was the other choice? Juvenile hall or CYA. Like I said, life isn't easy and I apologize to anyone who had something wrong happen to them up there, but I kind of needed to have someone lay the law down. I think I would've been a lot worse off if nobody did. I know that isn't the case with all of you and I sincerely hope that if you had problems there that you were able to get past them and be happy. The people that I see so many bad things wrote about...some deserve it completely. But when I was there Ralph and Sandy were good people and I went out with Pam and I thought of Debby as a sister and David as a little brother. I was there from 1980-82. Peace to everybody that sees this. I wish you the best.

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    1. Do you know Emily and Leo Nerbonne?

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    2. Debbie ended up being my house Mom, up at the Hill while I was there. She was always very nice to me. Greta and Brock were always nice as well, however their daughter was not, she was a nasty piece of work. My problems arose with Marie.I learned very early, to keep my head down, and my mouth shut, I guess the upside of being a foster kid for so many years. I took a few public humiliations and that was it for me.

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    3. Yeah, I grew up with the Nerbonnes from birth until we left The Land in Alaska. Did you have much interaction with Emily and Leo? Emily was my mother’s close friend when I was a baby.

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    4. Vennie for some reason on Facebook I cannot respond to you. And I went back to the Movement page and didn't find anything you wrote. I sure don't know what's going on. But I promise you I did not block you. I am want the true. No matter how painful. So please help me out.

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    5. Pam was one of my great friends, I have horrible night mares still!!!!

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  16. I grew up there from before the beginning. My family was the first victims of Marie's evil. I escaped in 1975 at the age of fourteen. Emotionally, psychologically, spiritually and physically scared for life. May they ALL rot in hell for the evil they propagated on me and all the others I had to witness throughout all the years I was there. Marie Talbert, Joseph Talbert Benjamin (Murrey) and Darla Fuzzell (Mandel), Theresa Abdulla, Ray Mandel, Ronnie "Masher" Mann and many more of their evil fellow sycophants are twisted predators that belong in prison or worse.

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    1. Sending you lots of love, Robert. I know some of what you have endured. I’m really sorry.

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    2. Hi Robert, I first arrived there in September 1976 in the "Big House" with Marie. I ran away twice and apparently gave Marie enough grief that she asked that I be removed on New Years Eve of that year. I didn't experience any physical abuse but the verbal abuse I went through was almost something straight from the military interrogation tactics. The only elder I really trusted was a woman named Kevin... can't remember her last name.
      My heart goes out to all the kids and teens that were placed in that hell hole and endured even more tragedy piled on top of their already delicate and damaged psyches. GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU!

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  17. I was at ISOT from 1988-1990 I was in the house of Raymond and Darlene. my email is tammaralynn72@hotmail.com

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  18. Hello
    I was at the hill house right in the pit of evil from 1992 to 1994. My email is jocheshire76@gmail.com

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    1. The hill house... are you talking about the "Big House" that Marie lived in, or was that still there at that time?

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    2. Oh,it was there,and fully functional!

      We had the dorms a short walk from the house, did they have those when you were there?

      Yes,I was so privileged to have a place in the big house. My Dad was head eldership,in "The Move".

      Oh JOY. All that did was put a huge target on my back.I was to be made an example of,to be broken like a horse, she wanted to turn me into a sniveling crybaby. That would never happen!!!

      That is like chum in the water for those type of people. I carried everything inside. I just kept my head down,and allowed her to completely try to humiliate me.

      To cause physical pain. She did hurt me, she hurt me so deep, I still wear the scars in my mind and heart.

      It was during her marriage to Joseph. I heard they got divorced not long after.

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    1. I was sent your comment about my post from the Move Forward site. I replied to you because it seems you me blocked and we are not sure why. I remember your father very well. My whole family and many of us other Sam Fife survivors do. You may not agree with my post, however I have done years and years of extensive research on this cult, their ties, and left you some more factual information as a reply on facebook, but only if you care to know. If not, that’s you’re right of course. I also said to you there that you’re not responsible, anymore than I am, for what our parents did to children, the abuses of children and adults which were condoned through preaching and/or witnessed and stayed silent about. So I hope you don’t feel the need to defend. I certainly have no desire to defend my mother. Even in death she is accountable for what she took us into.

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  20. Vennie Oh no, I don't have you blocked. And I would love all the information you have .I truly want to know the truth. I do love my Dad I didn't know he was involved in anything bad. But I do want the truth thank you so much. You can reach me through Facebook or by email jocheshire76@gmail.com or by text if you want too. 865-742-2209

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    1. I’m so sorry! I thought I was and shouldn’t have assumed. I can’t see your comments either. It was weird, but was it you that called hogwash on my blog post or is that a different sister? That’s the one I responded to. It was a history of Sam Fife’s Move of God Post from my blog. That’s the one I responded to you on.

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  21. I was there from 83-86. I didnt see any abuse although one girl had her hair chopped off for having sex. Like many of you I chose to call a couple named Robert & Rachell Harman mom & dad. I knew when they left that I made it out in the nick of time.

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    1. Robert and Rachelle were my mom and dad!!!

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  22. If any of you remember Jane Miller who was part of the Sam Fife exorcism debacle aka “The Jane Tapes” - her 15 year old great granddaughter committed suicide on Sunday. Her father was Preston Miller, allegedly a horribly abusive man. I wonder if anyone has an approximate number of how many Move and ISOT people have committed suicide. I am just devestated today. This news of this child killing herself has really affected me as I watch the Movites console her family and IGNORE why she killed herself. I am angry beyond belief.

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    1. Oh god yes. I was born and raised at Evergreen Acres Farm in British Columbia. I remember deliverance sessions with Jane Miller! What a nutcase!

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  23. Very interesting comments from everyone. I was there as a court placement from 81-83 and then went back for a year or so later on. I used to hang with Virginia Bustamonte but lost track of her years ago.

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    1. I was there late 80s early 90s. It was the worst experience of my life.

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    2. They were being investigated and they were treating all of us to lie. I refused to lie and got restrained and my ass kicked by 2 males. I barricaded myself in my room and they busted the window and cutme up with glass. They forced to get on birth control and took me to a clinic in Redding were I ran away when I came back it was horrible. I played the program for 2 years and graduated. I have PTSD from the experience, nightmares and more. I am writing a book so if anyone seeing this post would. Like to tell me their story email me at saucedabelinda@gmail.com

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    3. Funny you should mention a book. I am writing my memoirs and my short time there is going to be included. I lived in the main house with Marie. Not fun in the least... the woman was psycho.

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    4. My name is Wesley and I was there from October 17th 1984, the day of my 16th birthday for a year-and-a-half. A childcare worker named Lance McKinney that I was friends with brought me to the main office in front of Marie and Joseph. Because they found a note that I had written detailing Sandy Simon's actions one day, they thought that I was a spy sent in there to get the police shut down. My friend Lance could barely keep himself from laughing. If anyone remembers me, please contact me via email or by phone directly. I've had life issues and suicidal ideation almost daily for 36 years now and one attempt with overdose. I realized that I have been committing suicide slowly for all these years with my dangerous and self-harming behaviors. Hearing from someone who remembers me from there may do me a world of good. I lived with Sandy and Ralph in House 3. It was a very harsh and unacceptable sweet 16 birthday present for me.
      Wesley M.
      wesglen68@gmail.com
      (760) 490-4353

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    5. I used to go out with Yvonne Bustamonte. They were some crazy sisters.

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    6. Interesting indeed "fishintoday" now that you have my attention would you like to tell me who you are?

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    7. Hey Todd...if by crazy you mean fearless, spirited and unique...that's us! Of course we remember you...this is Gin, hope your life is good and filled with joy. Sending peace to everyone here.

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    9. And Virginia you are right. Crazy was the wrong word. You and your sister reminded me a lot of wild horses. And there is nothing wrong with that.

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    10. Virginia, it's great to hear from you! How are you doing? How is Yvonne? I hope both of you are doing great. Are you on Face Book? Look me up@Todd Grosvenor. It's great to hear from you...it lifted my spirits! Made me do some remembering which made me smile. I like your screen name :-)

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    11. Just ran across this site and thought I would check it out and what a surprise. I was there from 80 till 83 I think. Hi Gin, hope life is good with you. I do believe you were the first love of my life. What a time that was.

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    12. Sure I would. John Seibel. Its been a long time and journey.

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  24. I was there from 89-91. I still bear a scar on my chest left that Clarissa (I'm pretty sure that was her name) left when she snatched me out of my bed one afternoon when I was sick and her nail caught flesh.
    I would later be humiliated when one of the staff (I can't recall his name) was delivering milk and eggs to the houses and had started a flirtationship with me and I spoke of it. I was sat down in the middle of the living room at our house with everyone gathered around to include his wife and children and forced to tell everyone that I was lying.
    They had us take care of the tiny lambs from the main farm. I had named mine Gizmo. We cared for the lambs, hand feeding them by bottle two or three times a day, playing with them and becoming quite close to our little pets. One day we came home from school and they were just gone.
    That night they fed us something different. Something we hadn't had before. We were halfway through our meal before one of us asked what we were eating. I don't recall any of us finishing our meals when we were told that we were eating baby lamb.
    I despise the time I spent in that hole from hell.
    My time spent at i'sot taught me many things. Most of them are related to sincere hate and disgust. The only positive thing I received from that place was an ability to write.
    Thanks for the great writing skills, I'sot. As for the rest of what they taught me...that there truly was NO safety in the world...that a child's voice will always remain unheard...that nobody will believe you unless you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that what you are saying is true...that I didn't matter...
    For those lessons, fuck you I'sot. The damage inflicted upon my heart and my mind lives on. I trust very few. I help everyone I can. I do my best to not resemble the filth that I saw growing up. I do my best to be nothing like the people I was around as a young impressionable youth and that has made me a stronger and better woman.
    But having survived that place made me the fighter that I am today. I'll NEVER allow another person to have to go through the type of things I did in the same way that I had to....alone and afraid. Today I do my best to protect the weak and afraid. I'm the person that will show up, gun in hand and unafraid of what is terrifying the innocent.
    I'sot broke something deep down inside of me. And what I built to bridge that gap is fearless. It is what has kept myself and many others safe and continues to do so to this day.
    Thanks Mom and Dad for teaching me from the beginning of life that nobody is to be trusted and that nobody really cares past what's convenient. Thanks I'sot for reinforcing every single thing that my abusers taught me and for teaching me that nobody truly values anyone else or will protect the innocent. You both gave me something to disprove.
    I protect today....I do so with my life. I mean, what's the worst thing anyone can do? Kill me? I'm not getting out of this life alive anyways. May as well die doing for someone else what nobody ever did for me...providing some safety and protection.
    Every time someone is brought to me needing protection or I get a call from someone saying they fear their life is in danger, you'll find me with a gun in my right hand and a sadistic smile on my face. Because I know that I'm scarier than what's coming for whoever I'm protecting. And I WANT the worst it has to offer me so I have an excuse to show it what fear really means.

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    1. omg we were there at the same time, and yessss Clarissa she was my house mom

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    2. I was there also in 1990-1991 in Sandy and Ralphs house

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  25. My name, when I was at i'sot was Melisa Torrey.

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    1. When were you there, Melissa? There was a girl I knew named Melissa bit I don't remember her last name. The one food memory I have of that place was working with Melissa to clean up a greenhouse and we were rocking out to Kool & The Gang. Are you her?

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    2. Y'all I hope are still around and still in this site.
      I'd love to tell some stories. I was there in 1992
      peterduran2020@gmail.com

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  26. Teresa Arellano Shasta co ran away several times last time with a girl name Sally and Debbie Starkey,If your out there what's up Oh and my best friend Cheryl's

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  27. I was there from 78 to 82. Was photographed being forced to commit sexual acts with other children. One named Amy. Amy if you read this I'm so fucking sorry, I thought we had to, I ne er wanted to hurt you I was only 3. I'm so sorry. You were my first friend. Goodbye.

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  28. Do you remember who the predators were?

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  29. My name is Amy osborne I was there from 87_88 .

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  30. Judy - please contact me. sallymay@gmail.com

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  31. IMy name is Rhonda I can't remember much about my time there all I can remember is that my brother and I were sent there as hard to place children. I believe it was somewhere in the mid 70s. I didn't even know that it was a cult until serveral years ago when my mother told me I still had no idea what she was talking about. Before my brother passed away he kept telling me you have to remember kept but he would never tell me why. A few year ago my eldest daughter moved her family to canby CA it kinda struck me odd see said mom come visit us. So I decided to do a search of canby CA and I saw the word kept. As I becgan to read about kept it all started coming back to me. So I told her about it and she said sure mom it's all in your head I said look it up your self. All I can remember is that it was a horrible place with horrible people. I sure would like to talk to someone who was there at that time. I guess I need some closure or something. My time there at isot has greatly impacted my life and my thought of religion in general. I don't remember any of the kids there but I do rember some of the staff.

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    1. Hey Rhonda. My name is Vennie Kocsis. Marie’s daughter, Joyce, is part of my support group on Facebook, Survivor Voices. She is very kind and open. Marie recently died. Emily and Leo Nerbonne recruited my mom into Sam Fife’s The Move, ISOT’s sister cult. Feel free to email me if you want to talk more! Vennie,Kocsis@gmail.com

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  33. My name is Wesley maxfieldt it was quite an adventure for me. Those adults have no idea whatsoever how to handle me. I have a lot of stories and I have some good ones and bad ones. And if anyone is interested in hearing what I have to say which well I have to say is not all bad, but amusing at the very least God bless each and everyone of you who survived ISOT. I PERSONALLY KNEW SHOVEL DO MALE AND FEMALE KIDS EITHER COMMITTED SUICIDE AND OR ARE ON DRUGS AS A CAREER. I TOO AM A SURVIVOR

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  34. I apologize for saying this 2 Marie tolbert relatives. Please forgive me. And, what I have to say is that good that woman is dead. I'm the one that she accused of being a spy to get the place shut down which was the farthest from the truth. But now that she's dead oh, hopefully she will not be able to hurt any more people especially children

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    1. I, for one am GLAD she's dead. And that Ronnie (Masher) Mann is dead as well. I only hope it HURT LIKE HELL

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  35. I was there and I too am a survivor. And I want for everyone to know there if they have thoughts of suicide or harming themselves because of thinking back on those years please do not do anything of that sort please please please! I may not be worth much however, I'm going to tell you straight out that I need you. I need you to be one of our survivors. I need you. So please be careful and please be mindful of the other children who were there with you that also need you

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    1. Thank you very much for stating that. That helps give me strengths to go on as well. Those are very wise words. And indeed we do need you, so stick around

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  36. I was there. From 84-89 in the main house with kitchen romero miller

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  37. I was there in sandy and Ralph house 84=89 remember peter the red head baseball coach the dude that use tomake us march i hated it there

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    1. Ralph diddled one of the teenage girls there right in our unit and was asked to leave. Bunch of pedos!

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    2. Funny, he went on to diddle a couple of pre-teen girls at another Group Home a couple years later...

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  38. Sorry for taking so long to respond back. The only good thing that happened to me was I meet my soulmate there Sheila shive now Shera Beem I help put the school through Rop. I ran away so many times

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  39. I was there from¹1980 - 1981 I met my now husband there. Other that it was a horrible time in my life that I wish I was able to forget about

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  40. Hi Judy, I'm not sure who you are. My name is Trevor Gordon and my family, Steve, Jan, Melanie, and I, were at ISOT from 1995 to 2001, respectively. What a fucking nightmare! What HORRIBLE people! I HATE that place. I'm gay, and you could only imagine! The likes of the thugs of Ron Hassler, Ronnie Mann, Marie Tolbert, and Raymand Mandel! What a bunch of sick, twisted, mentally ill, and mean spirited people!

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    1. Who is Judy? I dont see her name?

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    2. Oh Good grief. I just realized it says Judy on my about me.

      I forgot about that. I just dont care who knows, it is me anymore. My name is Jodi Cheshire. I am Jay Cheshire's daughter.
      So are you Scottish?

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  41. Hi all,

    My name is Walt Ovenstone, I was also known as Butch while I was there. I Married Rhonda K and we had a son while living at ISOT.
    What a mixed bag of amazing, people, f-d up people, kindenss and evil. I found some of the folks to be genuine and ever giving of themselves, dedicated to the cause they believed in.
    The "old guard" those original members and some of the "chosen" offspring I had personel experiences with that i can only describe as beyond the pale, things you could never imagine in a civil society. Extramarital affairs, physical and mental abuse, and beyond.
    It seems they used shame like a surgeon wields a scalpel, experts in manipulation.
    I took my family and got the hell out. Unfortunately Rhonda and my marriage did not survive.
    I am glad to see so many of you are talking about your experiences, it is hard to make sense of it all.
    Best to you, power on.

    Walt

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    1. Hey Walt I remember you and Rhonda and your son Jeffrey. As many before me have stated, ISOT was a place of severe abuse, both physically and mentally, and we all get a little solice since the ring leader is passed. The corruption needs to be exposed and I wish many of us had exposed them instead of operating on fear due to family still living there. Many crooks there are able to live in peace while others were humiliated and sins exposed for l the world to see and judge.

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    2. Walt , were you there around 89 to 94? This is crystal Jordan.

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  42. Thank you Walter I remember you and Rhonda both from when I was there. 1984-85. I was put there on the day of my 16th birthday not because I was juvenile delinquent but because my mother ran out on me. I have to agree with Walter on how those people use shame, wielded like a surgeon's knife.
    Bless all of those who did not survive

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    1. The day I realized that there was something not right there was when they accused me of being a spy to get the place shut down LMAO

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  43. Was the in the early 80s . Good and bad memories. Lived in house 3 Ralph and Sandy were good to me , loved Debbie wish i could have stayed in contact with her . Ray Mandel was p.o.s who liked beating up kids with his hench men. Wish i ran into him later in life. Remember the quiet room? I spent three days in there for hitting Ray in his mouth and they beat me several times . After 30 days of hell in intake things got a little easier for me . I remember Goerge the mechanic he taught me alot about mechanics and thats where i spent most of my 3 years doing . Some of the elders kids seemed off and i always thought there was more to the story. I had some great friends there and wish i would have stayed in contact with a few. I read some of these storys and im sorry some of you went threw that , we were kids that needed help , and seems Marie and her puppets had other agendas, mainly money .

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  44. I was also there from 15 to 16 so I wanna say that would've been 1994-95? Court-ordered but I ran away enough that they finally had enough of me and didn't want me back thank god

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  45. ANYONE remember Crystal Jordan. Jessica Sain. Little Rene 😄. Big Wes. 🤣. I was ALWAYS running away. Always tried to wait for the deep snow. Was easy to hide 🤣🤣🤣. Email me k. gazingdown00@gmail.com

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    1. P.s. I was the little thing w almost white blonde hair and boobs way to big for her age. I was kinda rambunctious and independent. Didn't take shit from no one. Dated. Walter, Manuel urango and Keith Daniels.

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  46. If anyone knows how to reach Virginia B. (Twinning) please give her my email (jseibel6@wi.rr.com) as I would like to catch up with her. Thanks.

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